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 ====== ECU-based Boost Control Setup ====== ====== ECU-based Boost Control Setup ======
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 The high-level summary of what we're going to do here is provided below. The high-level summary of what we're going to do here is provided below.
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   - Set base duty cycle to 0% and then increase from there to prove that you have proper control over your boost pressure.   - Set base duty cycle to 0% and then increase from there to prove that you have proper control over your boost pressure.
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   - If you don't want to do error correction, you can stop here and just fine tune.   - If you don't want to do error correction, you can stop here and just fine tune.
   - If you want to enable error correction, then you can enable that now and start making some pulls to collect data.   - If you want to enable error correction, then you can enable that now and start making some pulls to collect data.
-  - Use the learned error correction datalogs and the Set boost tables helper function to copy over data from you logs into the base tables.+  - Use the learned error correction datalogs and the Set boost tables helper function to copy over data from your logs into the base tables.
  
 +===== Approach 1: Just disable error correction =====
  
  
 +By far, the easiest approach to dialing in the boost tables is to simply disable error correction. When you do that, you can ignore the Boost Target table entirely and just tweak the Base Duty Cycle to get about what you want. In fact, doing this is the starting point for setting up the boost target table for use with error correction.
  
-===== Approach 1: Just disable error correction ===== 
-By far, the easiest approach to dialing in the boost tables is to simply disable error correction. ​ When you do that, you can ignore the Boost Target table entirely and just tweak the Base Duty Cycle to get about what you want.  In fact, doing this is the starting point for setting up the boost target table for use with error correction. 
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-Start by checking the **Disable error correction** checkbox on the Boost (WGS) tab. 
  
 +Start by checking the **Disable error correction** checkbox on the Boost (WGS) tab (after you have already checked the **Enable boost control** checkbox, of course).
  
 ==== Confirm that you have control ==== ==== Confirm that you have control ====
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 The first step is to confirm that you actually have some control over your boost. The first step is to confirm that you actually have some control over your boost.
  
-Set the base duty cycle table to 0% across the board. ​ You can do this by selecting all the cells in the table at once and then using the Ctrl+down arrow key combination to run all the cells down to 0%. 
  
-Go make a pull and confirm that you're getting wastegate pressure (probably around 10-15psi depending on the wastegate) You may find that you get some boost creep towards ​the end of the pull.  That's usually fine too.  You're just looking to see the minimum amount of boost you can achieve with your current setup.+Set the base duty cycle table to 0% across the board. You can do this by selecting all the cells in the table at once, right clicking on those cells and the selecting the **Zero values ** menu item..
  
-Now, try increasing the base duty cycle table a bit and see that you can build more boost as the duty cycle values go up.  Try setting all the cells to 50%, then 65%, then 80%, etc.  You *should* see boost increase as the duty cycle increases. ​ If it does, great...you have everything installed correctly and your system is working in a predictable manner. ​ If not, review the [[bcsinstall|install page]] to see if you can find what's wrong. 
  
 +Go make a pull and confirm that you're getting wastegate pressure (probably around 10-15psi depending on the wastegate). You may find that you get some boost creep towards the end of the pull. That's usually fine too. You're just looking to see the minimum amount of boost you can achieve with your current setup.
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 +Now, try increasing the base duty cycle table a bit and see that you can build more boost as the duty cycle values go up. Try setting all the cells to 50%, then 65%, then 80%, etc. You *should* see boost increase as the duty cycle increases. If it does, great…you have everything installed correctly and your system is working in a predictable manner. If not, review the [[:​bcsinstall|install page]] to see if you can find what's wrong.
  
 ==== Pick a point ==== ==== Pick a point ====
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 Start by following the procedure in Approach 1 to get your base duty cycle around where you want it. Start by following the procedure in Approach 1 to get your base duty cycle around where you want it.
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 ==== Setting up the Boost Target table baseline ==== ==== Setting up the Boost Target table baseline ====
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 === Explanation === === Explanation ===
  
-This step is **very** important to get a good baseline for error correction.  ​ 
  
-Once you have the base duty cycle table set up, you'll want to start with a good Boost Target table that mimics what the turbo actually does.  ​This is particularly ​important ​in off boost areas where the turbo just can't build full boost. ​ Setting ​boost target too high in this area *will* result in over shoot after you enable ​error correction ​because the error correction logic will ramp up the duty cycle trying to achieve a boost target that the turbo just can't do.+This step is **very** ​important ​to get good baseline for error correction.
  
-So once you get into an area where the turbo **can** build boost, you'll already have elevated duty cycle values and the boost pressure will over shoot before error correction has a chance to drop the duty cycles back down.  This can also result in oscillation as the error correction logic tries to fix itself in both directions. 
  
-So you can see it's very important ​to start with a Boost Target table that has an accurate representation of what the turbo can actually do.   +Once you have the base duty cycle table set up, you'll want to start with a good Boost Target table that mimics ​what the turbo actually ​does. This is particularly important in off boost areas where the turbo just can't build full boost. Setting a boost target too high in this area *will* result in over shoot after you enable error correction because the error correction logic will ramp up the duty cycle trying to achieve a boost target that the turbo just can'​t ​do.
-=== Collection some data ===+
  
-You do that by making a good, long 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear pull with error correction disabled and starting at an RPM below where the turbo can build boost. ​ So start at, say, 2500 RPM on a flat road in each gear and wind it out to, say, 7000 RPM at full throttle. ​ Repeat for each gear and maybe do a couple pulls like that.   You want as much data as you can. 
  
 +So once you get into an area where the turbo **can** build boost, you'll already have elevated duty cycle values and the boost pressure will over shoot before error correction has a chance to drop the duty cycles back down. This can also result in oscillation as the error correction logic tries to fix itself in both directions.
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 +So you can see it's very important to start with a Boost Target table that has an accurate representation of what the turbo can actually do.
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 +=== Collecting some data ===
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 +You can get a good Boost Target starting point by making a long 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear pull with error correction disabled and starting at an RPM below where the turbo can build boost. So start at, say, 2000-2500 RPM on a flat road in each gear and take it out to, say, 7000-7500 RPM at full throttle (//​ThrotPos//​ must be above 90%). Repeat for each gear and maybe do a couple pulls like that. You want as much data as you can get.
 === Use the Set Boost (WGS) tables helper function === === Use the Set Boost (WGS) tables helper function ===
  
-With that datalog ​displaced, right click on the graph and select the "Set Boost (WGS) tables"​ helper function. ​ This function averages the boost pressure and duty cycle at each RPM point and in each gear found in the current datalog and copies that data into the Boost (WGS) tab.+ 
 +With that datalog ​displayed, right click on the graph and select the "Set Boost (WGS) tables"​ helper function. This function averages the boost pressure and duty cycle at each RPM point and in each gear found in the current datalog and copies that data into the Boost (WGS) tab. 
  
 When you do this with "​good"​ data, you'll find a table similar to the following: When you do this with "​good"​ data, you'll find a table similar to the following:
  
-{{  http://​www.ecmtuning.com/​wiki/​_media/​boosttarget.png ​ }} 
  
-Note how each gear builds full boost at different areas of the RPM band.  And notice how this particular example shows some boost spike just as full boost is built. ​ You can either keep that spike in the curve or try to dial it out using lower duty cycle values and lower boost target values. ​ I personally like this spike, so I run it that way on purpose. ​ I want to get as  much as I can from my turbo. ​ So building more boost early on in the RPM band (where my turbo actually can build boost) is one way to do that.+{{  https://​www.ecmtuning.com/​wiki/​_media/​boosttarget.png?​direct& ​ }} 
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 +Note how each gear builds full boost at different areas of the RPM band. And notice how this particular example shows some boost spike just as full boost is built. You can either keep that spike in the curve or try to dial it out using lower duty cycle values and lower boost target values. I personally like this spike, so I run it that way on purpose. I want to get as much as I can from my turbo. So building more boost early on in the RPM band (where my turbo actually can build boost) is one way to do that
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 +==== Fine tuning with error correction enabled ==== 
 +Now you can enable error correction and let the ECU do some work for you. 
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 +With error correction enabled, you should find that you start "​zero'​ing"​ in on a perfect setup. ​ Each time you get closer to your ideal configuration,​ use the "Set Boost (WGS) tables"​ helper function to copy what's going on in your datalog into your base tables. 
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 +=== Updating one table at a time === 
 +There are times when you want to update **only** the Boost Target or **only** the Base Duty Cycle tables generated by the "Set Boost (WGS) tables"​ helper function. ​  
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 +You can do that by first doing a __right click->​copy table__ function on the table you want to keep, then running the helper function and then doing a __right click->​paste table__ function to put the data you wanted to retain back into place. 
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 +This can be very useful when you have the boost target table setup with what you really want the engine to do and you want to update only the base duty cycle table with values that get you closer to that target.
  
 ===== Notes and limitations ===== ===== Notes and limitations =====
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